Conflict in Dialogue: How Game of Thrones is Losing its Magic

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  • Published: 05 May 2019
  • Game of Thrones is a cultural phenomenon. Many would consider it one of, if not, the best television shows to ever exist. Adapted from the "A Song of Ice and Fire" novels by George R.R. Martin, Game of Thrones is the depiction of powerful families -- kings and queens, knights and renegades, liars and honest men -- playing a deadly game for control of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros, and to sit atop the Iron Throne. In it's early seasons, praise could go excellent performances, perfect casting, but most importantly...amazing writing. But as the show progressed, it soon surpassed the novels. Forced to work with a rough outline for the rest of the series, Game of Thrones started to struggle notably in it's 7th season. The complex narrative web and a grey presentation of morality fell to the wayside as characters such as Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryan become the standard, fantasy protagonists A Song of Ice and Fire originally subverted. With the conclusion to the story in Season 8 premiering in April 2019, fans were hopeful for the show to return to it's roots and stick the landing. But after a slow, uneventful two episodes, some are left wondering...How has Game of Thrones lost its magic?

    In this video, Hoodie seeks to answer the question by comparing some of the shows greated(or most underrated) scenes throughout the years to the ones in Season 8 Episode 1.

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  • mkiller1001
    mkiller1001  4 days back

    Currently rewatching from the start and I can't believe how different these seasons are...Even shooting locations look real and memorable in previous seasons while in season 8 I kept having the feeling that everything is fake CGI. costumes looked dirty and rough in Season 1 as they should be but in season 8 everyone is dressed in high fantasy costumes, Dany especially looks like she just came out of a high elves fantasy.

    • Cerebral Cortex CEH
      Cerebral Cortex CEH  6 days back

      I knew there was BIG trouble in season 8 episode 1 when there was comedy, minus the laugh tracks, on several scenes in the episode. There were some witty comments throughout the series, but it never felt silly and stupid. Like Jon riding a dragon for his first time should have been a serious revelation for him and Dany, since only Targareyn's can ride dragons. Instead there was silly music and goofy scenes happening. Such a terrible fall from grace.

      • Matt Johnson
        Matt Johnson  1 weeks back

        It was all just setup. Daenerys was played as snotty and entitled... shortly after falling in love with Jon and saying that she hopes she deserves his loyalty.

        It was all really poor writing to justify and try to arrive at the conclusion of Dany going evil/conqueror... and it still wasn't very convincing. The wrote to the end, not to the characters and their previous behavior and words. The end didn't make sense tracking some of the major characters for the last couple seasons.

        • Bilz Domino
          Bilz Domino  2 weeks back

          Good thing it got better...... 😢 better at being shitty

          • Tito Pabon Jr
            Tito Pabon Jr  2 weeks back

            S8 makes S7 look like a masterpiece! Way 2 much bad writing, plot armour and Dany goes Mad Queen in 1 episode! Dany should've attacked King's Landing in S7 when Dany had all 3 dragons and her allies!! She could depose Cersei! The Night King would never have killed Viserion and destroyed a piece of the wall! Tyrion WAS protecting Jaime and Cersei! Jaime also threw away his redemption arc 2 die with Cersei instead of killing her!

            • Miguel Delgado
              Miguel Delgado  2 weeks back

              ah, the privilege of criticize without being accountable. It' s easy, isn't it? If you are so good at creative writing, when can we have at least some fan fiction or even better a novel? No? Oh, come on, I'm sure you can stop playing Xbox and do something more constructive than pooping with such elegance.

              • Olof
                Olof  2 weeks back

                Good observation

                • Eddison Tollett
                  Eddison Tollett  2 weeks back

                  Jon « Geatjon» Umber se1ep10: « My friends!.. My fiends!.. Here is what I say to these two writers. (spits). David Benioff is nothing to me, nor Dan Weiss neither. Why should they write over G R.R. M. from some shit in the script? What do they know of the books or the characters? Even their Gods are wrong!»

                  • keep itsteel
                    keep itsteel  2 weeks back

                    Your comments about sansa lead me to believe your abit of an idiot lol

                    • Careful Icarus
                      Careful Icarus  2 weeks back

                      What a wanker. Analysis and criticizing is for pretentious douchebags who can't create.

                      • Samuel Jackson
                        Samuel Jackson  2 weeks back

                        These later seasons of Game of Thrones really make you appreciate just how skilled of a writer GRRM is. Season 4 episode 6 was the peak for Game of Thrones imho.

                        • Patryk
                          Patryk  2 weeks back

                          I was also lacking the battle motivational speech, no man would follow you into a battle if they are not motivated, Tyrion in season 2 give such speech when defending kings landing from Stannis, why now everybody just agreed to fight like paid mercenaries? I heard that they are free man, willing to choose what they want. Nobody wants to die in a battle unless he sees the opportunity in it.

                          • Patryk
                            Patryk  2 weeks back

                            dumb and dumber just don't know how to write the dialogue, they know only how to write epic scenes and realistic environments, but it's shame that with this amount of budget they cannot hire someone to write dialogue, they could hire even GorgeRR himself to write the series finale

                            • dabadadeeda
                              dabadadeeda  2 weeks back

                              "increasingly small" = decreasing

                              • Jaymeehoffstar;)
                                Jaymeehoffstar;)  2 weeks back

                                Most characters acted way out of...character, especially the ridiculousness of Dany massacring everyone n everything....crappy, lame, badly thought out ending to G.O.T by far...it sucks.

                                • Josh Bourke
                                  Josh Bourke  3 weeks back

                                  Chaos isn't a pit.....chaos is a ramp

                                  • DAJOKER808
                                    DAJOKER808  3 weeks back

                                    Wrong

                                    • Kazataca
                                      Kazataca  3 weeks back

                                      Well, this video is going to age like fine wine now

                                      • yannis zaxaro
                                        yannis zaxaro  3 weeks back

                                        it is so complex they had to make a fisnish or a finish at all and how many ppl could understand no finish and deep psycology andpolitics?

                                        • gigi
                                          gigi  3 weeks back

                                          100% agreed.

                                          • IlluminaAssel
                                            IlluminaAssel  3 weeks back

                                            Just a blink of an eye and.. Huh? What happened? One character seems to has fallen deep into anmesia and the others needs something like an social worker to watch over them.. as dump as they are now, it just can be some kind of a illness inside their brains... But no... It must be the audience who has become braindead! Cause how could an intelligent being ever overseeing the brilliance of a zombie polarbear? (I'm no native speaker, so please forgive me if I've written something wrong)

                                            • PeWpwNizZleE
                                              PeWpwNizZleE  3 weeks back

                                              Oh boy you definitely got your "strong recovery" :.D

                                              • hae chan
                                                hae chan  3 weeks back

                                                i just knew there was something wrong. ever since season 6 the dialogue just didn’t sound the same anymore. it was like i jumped from medieval europe to early 2000s oh my god. i thought i was just being over critical, but it was actually just horrible.

                                                • Bob Spencer
                                                  Bob Spencer  3 weeks back

                                                  No it never lost its magic it was AWESOME all the away to the end.

                                                  • Jessica Dead
                                                    Jessica Dead  3 weeks back

                                                    I've seen a few whiney fan videos about how the writing was bad but no proper justification other than it didnt play out how they wanted. This video is a great writing critique

                                                  • Owen Denchy
                                                    Owen Denchy  3 weeks back

                                                    Typical shitty writing and the only reason that the women appear to be smart is because the men have been dumbed down to the max. That's not an accomplishment ladies.
                                                    Apart from that, Sansa has had everything handed to her on a plate, if it were not for the men she would have been dead long ago, she's useless and Arya is just a snotty kid that didn't learn anything much with her time in bravos, the waif kicked her arse every time they fought and it was only the plot armour that got her out of Bravos alive. The show was finished after season 4, 5 at the very limit and that's really pushing it, absolutely terrible writing and super rushed.

                                                    • Owen Denchy
                                                      Owen Denchy  3 weeks back

                                                      How wrong you were, it was the worst possible ending ever.

                                                      • Timothy Arnold
                                                        Timothy Arnold  3 weeks back

                                                        Now THIS is a legitimate criticism. I have no problem with anything that occurred, other than slight differences (I would have had Jon abdicate) I just didnt like how they got there. The political rants about how certain characters ended based solely on their lady parts... just arent legitimate.

                                                        • QueenCersei Lannister
                                                          QueenCersei Lannister  3 weeks back

                                                          Sansa acted like a snotty bitch to Dany for NO reason this season. Her becoming queen of the North was utterly lackluster and had me giving zero amount of f*Cks. The writers destroyed these characters arcs. Not just destroyed, annihilated. Oh, and lets have Dany give EVERYTHING she has, armies, her children, loved ones, etc, to help Sansas north, only to have Dany treated like utter shite and have her character development go down to toilet. What the EFF were d&d thinking!?!?

                                                          • Chris A. Medina
                                                            Chris A. Medina  3 weeks back

                                                            Dipshit and Dumphuck are as shallow, anti intellectual hacks.

                                                            • Annie1962
                                                              Annie1962  3 weeks back

                                                              well it didn't pan out. They've taken off in a hurry to do the new Star Wars movie.
                                                              Shame...................Shame.........

                                                              • Serge
                                                                Serge  3 weeks back

                                                                This is what we get when money overpowers art ... when suits refuse to bend the knee. Ask George RR Martin how he really feels about all this. As good as this series was, it only reached about 85% of its potential.

                                                                • Spencer Yo
                                                                  Spencer Yo  3 weeks back

                                                                  I’ve always said Season 4 is the best, glad I’m not completely crazy

                                                                  • whoisrune
                                                                    whoisrune  3 weeks back

                                                                    The gods have forsaken us

                                                                    • Christian Qb
                                                                      Christian Qb  3 weeks back

                                                                      Can you add spanish subtitle ? please dude :(

                                                                      • Eric Pro
                                                                        Eric Pro  3 weeks back

                                                                        somehow i felt disappointed abt season 7 and 8 but i can't quite explain why. this analysis accurately explains why s7,8 sucked.

                                                                        • Filip Orvik
                                                                          Filip Orvik  4 weeks back

                                                                          Comparing season 8 with the best season of the show xD

                                                                          • Christian Petersen
                                                                            Christian Petersen  4 weeks back

                                                                            GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER

                                                                            • Whistler4u
                                                                              Whistler4u  4 weeks back

                                                                              It's losing its magic because it's being watched by twats.

                                                                              • Hermin Lionel
                                                                                Hermin Lionel  4 weeks back

                                                                                Amen sir. You hit the nail on the head.

                                                                                • runningA
                                                                                  runningA  4 weeks back

                                                                                  Half the conversation in this season was just repeating memorable quotes from former episodes anyway.

                                                                                  • serge014
                                                                                    serge014  4 weeks back

                                                                                    IT lost its magic.

                                                                                    • Tallis Keeton
                                                                                      Tallis Keeton  4 weeks back

                                                                                      I wish Varys lived. He was one of my fav heroes. He saw wider picture not only the petty warlords fighting. But he was also a problem for the times after war. You see he told everyone that he cares for a realm as a whole not for a person on the throne. He always choses whom he serve becouse he serves the realm - not to himself, not to a family, not to some group or religion but the whole of country. He worked for the country to be united. But becouse he choses one or the other candidate for the throne as being better than the earlier Varys himself is also the problem bc he creates the conflicts for the future. Without Varys there would not be the one who can be plotting for another yet better candidate - be it Jon or Sansa or Tyrion or Gendry or anyone. Vary tought them that the real issue is the country as a whole not this or that family - this lecture was missed by Tywin, Targariens, or even Starks. He was master of spies so he could be a problem for any king. They have learned his lesson about the country, and actualy he won his conflict with Petyr Baelish which was for him the actual ideological conflict - Varys prooved that his worldview was better than Petyr's but they should not let him be beside the throne. He could chose another king after few years, for example Gendry who would be better for Varys to manipulate than either Bran or Dany would be, or even some distant Targaryen bastard or smt :) He must have died. Although without his spies the kingdom is in dangerous situation. With dragons power and Varys spies and Jon's armies and Tyrion's intelect the kingdom would have been a great empire :) Now they have a collection of cripples, bastards, and broken things and thieves and mercenaries around the throne :) How fun :D

                                                                                      • Goolio Collio
                                                                                        Goolio Collio  4 weeks back

                                                                                        A good script needs years. And in this rushing capitalist world the writers have to rush too. Maybe we should ask why the hell we are all want this rushing so much...

                                                                                        • ariane.
                                                                                          ariane.  4 weeks back

                                                                                          That first tyrion-varys scene is to show their friendship

                                                                                          • Tatyana Melnikoff
                                                                                            Tatyana Melnikoff  4 weeks back

                                                                                            dialogue? d&d can't write!
                                                                                            it's not tyrion's character that got stupid. d&d are stupid.

                                                                                            • Tatyana Melnikoff
                                                                                              Tatyana Melnikoff  4 weeks back

                                                                                              george r.r. martin is the true and real writer of game of thrones.
                                                                                              d&d are talentless liars and thieves that failed a masterpiece. but i am glad, very glad, that they're exposed for the scum that they are. please redo the ending--with grrm's writing!!!

                                                                                              • Lucas Zodel
                                                                                                Lucas Zodel  4 weeks back

                                                                                                A little defender for D&D: GMM had 22 Years to write everything (he even took 5 years between Book 3 and 4 because the Plot was so complex) and D&D had to write a Season in less then a year. So maybe thats where ther Loss of Magic comes from, its just rushed.